What do non-Christians think of Christianity?????? page 4
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3 years, 7 months ago by Idkkkkk
i respect you guys who don’t push it on others. I just get really frustrated when christians come to me and say god can cure my mental health. I don’t belive in that for me. But i have seen that christianity helps other people with mental health. If they are in a bad place and need something to wake up for or live after, they open up to god because they want to. But for me, that’s not the case. My country is very christian, i basically grew up christian without actually being it. You HAD to go to church 2 times a year with your school. You had to sing a christian song before you ate lunch in school. When we learn about religion in school, it’s basically christianity for 6 months and all the other religions for the next 4 months. They showed us disturbing pictures, we had to participate in church with our school sometimes etc. And for me and a lot of others, that was traumatic. Third book of moses 15:19-20 “When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. "`Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean.”
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3 years, 7 months ago by Idkkkkk
@GenMalucci ^^^
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3 years, 7 months ago by halokiwi
@GenMalucciHere are some bible passages regarding menstruation: https://www.openbible.info/topics/menstruation (only the first few are about menstruation but I think it could be interesting nonetheless) |
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3 years, 7 months ago by Yellowfang
I am Christian but not SUPER Christian? Like I believe a lot of things from the Bible, but I’m not going to force others to my releagon. Oh and I support lgbtq+ I don’t quite get it, but I’m not gonna go and say “WHAT UR GAYY!?!??!? SIN ON YOU!!!” No I’ll be like “oh, that’s cool. Haven’t met a gay person before”
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3 years, 7 months ago by Godluvsu
@idkkkkIt is not just menstruation blood that is defiling, it was blood in general. I am going to phrase this gently, because there are children, but men had something specific to them thats defiling too in that time.(Message me for the verse I don't want to put it out in community). Its not prejudice its just the fact that blood is defiling. That was just the culture back in those ancient times to remain culturally clean. It doesn't make sense these days that mildew defiled a house and made it unclean but it was just their culture to stay ceremonially clean. |
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3 years, 7 months ago by Godluvsu
oops @Idkkkkk i meant lol
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3 years, 7 months ago by Hanners
I am a Christian... But I believe there are significant inconsistencies with the Bible. These inconsistencies have led to problems with Women, LGBTQIA+ peoples, Racism, and a few more. All of these are wrong, and not how God intended humans to live. Whereas I agree Christianity has been used poorly to spread hate and injustice, but I have to disagree with you @Deer-Teeth When you said, “No other religion has done the harm Christianity has.” Don’t worry, I’m not forcing hate or anything on you lol 😊 I would just like to point out the obvious destruction of other religions around the world... Because in America really the only religion that has caused harm is Christianity (aside from a few cults and the terrorist attacks) All of us in America might think Christianity is indeed the most harmful religion... however it is not true if you have a worldview of things. I was born and raised in a Muslim country and I saw the destruction, murder, and lies caused by Islam. Islam has promoted the domestic violence and abuse of women. Women must wear hair coverings (or even worse full body coverings) and can be beaten to death if failure to do so. Islam teaches that women will not go to heaven if anyone in public outside of their family sees their hair. Few jobs are open to women bc they’re not allowed to socialize with men other than relatives. Education for Females is sadly discouraged or even forbidden! In addition they’re not allowed to vote or run for office, and in some places not even allowed to drive cars! If a women dishonors the family they are often killed which is called an “honor killing” and is easily pardoned 😬 As well as with women, LGBT+ peoples, or anyone known to be gay, is imprisoned or even stoned to death. Islam teaches that Muslims are to mistreat or even kill Christians, Jews, Atheists, and even other Muslims in order to get a place in heaven. Many terrorist groups have arisen because of this. In addition to Islam, Hinduism has promoted human sacrifice and cannabalism (although this has gone down much during the recent years). Ethnic African and Chinese religions will have similarities. I honestly just have to say that Christianity is definitely not the worst religion lol 😂 Jesus said that the main things were to “Love God and Love Others,” but sadly we as Christians tend to add to it. Westboro Baptist church is a poor example and I’m honestly ashamed to call them a church. (Also all those rules in the Old Testament are for Jews and were written for Jewish people) Adding Homophobia, the degrading of Women, and Racism is all very wrong, and are what Christians confuse things with. Our main purpose on this earth is to love God and love people, yet we add things and judge others. I want to apologize to all of you who have been hurt by the Church and by other christians 😢 It really shouldn’t be that way. I should also stop talking lol
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3 years, 7 months ago by lucass_
@naiyah i noticed ur comment about Lot and Sodom and homosexuality. i would recommend checking out matthew vines. because what happened then actually had a bigger context.
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3 years, 7 months ago by lucass_
one of the things that i believe is a major turn off to christianity is the fact that a lot of people take certain rules and stuff and disregard the highest law in the bible: love god with all your heart, soul, and all your mind. which in my thoughts, would be upholding his creation. and we are all created in his image. and the second greatest: love your neighbor. i personally feel that even in my own church community, that that it isn’t always exemplified. because jesus always boiled down the love and i feel that a lot of christians don’t take that in their daily lives. but i think about myself and what i want to show what jesus was and he was love.
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3 years, 7 months ago by lucass_
oh also, for the christian debate on homosexuality , i recommend matthew vines: there’s a transcript and a video. they r the same thing but he makes rly good point.
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3 years, 7 months ago by Jdog12525
@Hanners That was very well explained!!!
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3 years, 7 months ago by oceanknot
@Hanners @Jdog12525I don’t know what Muslim country you were born and raised in, but I have to tell you that pretty much everything in your comment was inaccurate. First of all, you, and a lot of people completely mixed up religion and culture. To address your argument about forcing women to wear hijab, that is an oppressive law that exists in some Muslim countries, but was NEVER encouraged in the religion. It’s actually against Islam to oppress people and force them to wear the hijab. In fact, it’s a choice that women make, which is between them and God. Second of all, nowhere does it say that women can be “beaten to death” if they do not wear hijab. Islam NEVER taught that if someone outside a women’s family saw their hair, they will not go to heaven. God is the ultimate judge and He decides whether or not someone will go to Heaven. That means that if a women chose not to wear hijab, nobody has the right to tell her that she will go to hell because that’s up to God to decide. Third of all, Islam never says that women can not vote, drive, be educated, or run for office. Again, that’s an oppressive law that exists in some Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, for example, but has nothing to do with the religion. BEFORE Islam, baby girls were buried alive, women were not allowed to own property, and men had the right to own women. Islam came and taught that all of these things were wrong. Islam gave women the right to be educated, own property, refuse a forced marriage, etc. People have completely twisted the idea of this and made it seem like Islam oppresses women when it’s really people who claim to be Muslim. Fourth of all, violence is only allowed in Islam to defend yourself if your life is being threatened. If you don’t believe me, here are verses from the Quran that prove it “God does not love corruption”. (Surat al-Baqara, 205), “God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8). Islam never taught us to hate on members of the LGBT+ community, Jews, Christians, Atheists or any religion. In this Hadith (narration of what the Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him stated) , it states that you can’t hate someone and enter heaven. "You will not enter Paradise until you believe and you will not believe until you love each other. Shall I show you something that, if you did, you would love each other? Spread peace among yourselves." (Sahih Bukhari). There are dozens more of hadiths and verses from the Quran that prove this. The media likes to call anyone who comes from a Middle Eastern country a Muslim. However, Islam is a religion NOT an ethnicity. The Muslim community does not consider any of the “Muslim” terrorists you see on the media to actually be Muslim, because, again, killing people is a major sin in Islam. Finally, even though you never addressed this in your comment, a good thing to note would be that in the Bible, women are told that they are unclean while menstruating. Someone brought up the point that the Bible says all blood is unclean, not just menstrual blood. However, that doesn’t make sense because when women touch something or someone while menstruating, the Bible says that that thing is unclean, but if that point was valid, the verse would state that whatever menstrual blood touches would be unclean. Islam actually teaches that women are NOT impure when they are menstruating. I also forgot to mention this earlier, but if covering your hair is “so bad”, then why do nuns do it. Virgin Mary was also narrated to have covered her head. I’m not making this up, this is what the Bible and Christians say (https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Covering-Heads). If you have any more questions or need more evidence, please let me know. |
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3 years, 7 months ago by oceanknot
@Hanners oh yeah and I forgot to mention that your claim that “ Islam teaches that Muslims are to mistreat or even kill Christians, Jews, Atheists, and even other Muslims in order to get a place in heaven.” That is so twisted and not at all what Islam teaches. I genuinely can not understand if you just made that up in your head, someone without any knowledge of the religion told that to you, or you misunderstood. Heaven is not a limited place. It’s not like an exclusive number of people can go there, in fact, God teaches us that we should spread the message of Islam (not force it on to people though) so that more people can get a place in heaven. Again, I’ve given you evidence in my comment above that Islam does not encourage violence, but I just needed to say something about that one statement you made.
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3 years, 7 months ago by itsssaddie
i'm christian, and i (y'all dont hate me pls-) support LGBTQ+ people, and also think that even though in the bible there are a few verses referencing pro - heterosexual, con - homosexual, god just wants you to be happy, and if you believe in god, or any higher power- when you get to heaven (or wherever or whatever you think happens when you die) and god hands you a piece of paper, saying what you could have done, and what you did, one of those things could be being an LGBTQ+ activist, or being with someone that genuinely made you happy, i say go for it, and don't listen to anyone else.
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3 years, 7 months ago by hlc
As a christian, I've seen those that are extreme. I myself try to be the one christian that people look up to. I believe that god created everyone with flaws, good and bad. That love is love and loving the same gender isn't a sin. I believe that god sometimes makes mistakes and gives a girl a boy brain/mindset, therefore creating people who are transgender (who are completely valid) I believe that god made people neither genders, as well as both. In my opinion, hell is only for murderers, cheaters, r*pists, child m*lestsers, and those who commit crimes along that line.I agree with OP, most christians get a bad rep and I hope to change that. If your family is christian and you're gay or part of the lgbtq+ family and they don't support you, I open my arms for you to join me and my girlfriends' family, no invitations required. If you ever need to talk, mental health and lgbtq+ problems included, I'm here to listen. Just remember that your feelings are vaild! Hope whoever reads this has a great day and lives everyday to the fullest. |
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3 years, 7 months ago by Xxpuffish
I grew up Christian but I’m realizing that I’ve never really felt connected to it I enjoy being a good person and helping people but I’m just realizing that religion just doesn’t do it for me I think I believe more in the universe and I can rationalize that there is obviously a higher power that I can’t see, smell, touch or hear, I struggled for a long time with religion and politics and I really don’t believe in any of it I have my views but they aren’t defined by Christianity. but maybe I’m just unstable and burnt out that could be it too
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3 years, 7 months ago by Hanners
@oceanknot I wish you knew the things I knew and saw the things I saw 😢 I promise I’m not trying to be hurtful in any way... I don’t know your background or where you are from, and I’m not trying to tell you what you know, I personally lived in one of the most oppressive Islamic nations... It was super unsteady because of terrorists. I have left since it became extremely hostile. I am also very sorry I should have been more specific... What I said about Islam earlier was not actually what they teach in the religion, but how some Muslims have twisted it (Christians sometimes do the same thing too) First of all, I know this genuinely because I used to be a Muslim, and I followed the K’ran. I don’t know if you’ve read all of the K’ran, but when I did I found SO many inconsistencies that it was ridiculous. When my family immigrated I broke away from Islam almost immediately. I know that here in America Islam is not like that... but where I come from, it is EXACTLY how I mentioned it earlier. And I know that it’s not the religions fault, but it is what people have taken it to be. I personally have been hurt by people, because they said they were doing favor to Allah.First of all, about the hijab... Allah’s commandment Comes in the Koranic injunction that women should “draw their veils over there bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, fathers, their husbands and fathers, their sons, their husbands sons, their brothers or their brothers sons, or their sisters sons, or their women, or the slaves in the right hand possessed, or mail service free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of shame of s**,” -Koran 24:31... in other words, they should be covered whenever they venture out in public. When I watched an Islamic teaching by Ibn Kathir, He explained that this is not a matter of choice (here are his exact words if you want to watch the video) : “this is a command from Allah to the believing women, and jealousy on his part over the wives of his believing service. It is also to distinguish the believing women from the woman of the Jahiliyyah (society of unbelievers). In Algeria, it has made the news of how woman who dare not wear the hijab are shot on site by the military. Same with Iran, and other places. In February 2007, Zilla Huma Usman, the Pakistani government minister for social welfare in the Punjab province, was shot dead by a Muslim because her head was uncovered. The murderer, Mohamed Sarwar, declared, “I have no regrets. I just obeyed Allah’s commandment. I will kill all those women who do not follow the right path, if I am freed again.” The hijab is definitely a rule for Muslim women to wear in public, not a choice. Many women of course believe they will not go to heaven if the public sees their hair (I was taught that when I was a Muslim) I’m not trying to say head covering is bad lol, but when women don’t have a choice, well I mean, that sucks... And the Virgin Mary covered her hair because (a) that was the custom for women in those times, even pagans usually did it. And (b) she was a Jew. Secondly, of course Islam teaches nonviolence... and violence. Because There are other passages that don’t imply that the believers (Muslims) should leave “infidels” alone and let Allah judge them. Allah tells the Muslims to stand and fight against the infidels, not to flee : “Oh ye who believe! When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, he draw on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode in hell, an evil refuge indeed! (8:16-16) This follows a passage in which Allah directs the angels to strengthen the Muslims and promise to “instill terror” in the infidels hearts. He tells the Muslims to “smite above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them” (8:12) Other passages reinforce the proposition that this struggle should not be limited in scope. Muslims should respond to provocations in this kind: “and one who attacked with you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you” (2:194) The Koran further explains that fighting for Islam is not optional: “fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike anything which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye knoweth not,” (2:216) Furthermore, Muslims are discouraged from association with any non-Muslim: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them.” (3:28) Additionally, Muslims are given a moral code to follow. I won’t write the whole thing out it’s really long but here’s a portion of it: “Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred—Except for just cause.” (17:22-39) EXCEPT FOR JUST CAUSE. The provision about not taking life “except for just cause” is, of course, in the same book as the thrice repeated commandment to “slay the idolaters wherever you find them” (9:5; 4:89; 2:191)—Thus, infidels (non-Muslims) must understand that their infidelity, their non-acceptance of Islam, is “just cause” for Muslims to take their life. If you You killed a Christian? That would be bad. But if the victim were a Muslim... The rules for restitution for wrongful death or also illuminating for infidels. The Koran 2:178 establishes a law of retaliation (qisas) for murder: equal recompense must be given for the life of the victim: which can take the form of blood money (diyah): a payment to compensate for the loss suffered. In Islamic law sharia, the amount of compensation varies depending on the identity of the victim. “Umdat al-Salik, (Sharia Manual) indicates that the payment of killing a woman is HALF OF THAT OF KILLING A MAN. Likewise, the penalty for killing a Jew or Christian is 1/3 of that paid for killing a male Muslim. The Iranian Sufi Sheik Sultanhussein Tabandeh (Administers of Legal codes for Iran) Says that that punishment for other crimes differ as well depending on whether the perpetrator is a Muslim. If a Muslim commits adultery, his punishment is 100 lashes, the shaving of his head and one year of banishment. (of course referred to a Muslim male): a Muslim female would in all likelihood be sentenced to be stoned to death. But if the man is not a Muslim, his punishment would be certain execution. Thirdly, you saying that Muslims are taught not to enforce Islam pretty much goes against what the Koran says... The passage that immediately follows “slay the idolaters” (9:5), says: “But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due then leave their way free.” I think it sounds like they’re trying to force Islam lol but please correct me if I’m wrong 😂 Fourthly, As for LGBT+ oppression... I did my research lol, every Islamic country has negative transactions toward Gay people. Many are imprisoned, sent to exile, and some (in Brunei and a few other extremist countries) are killed. I even have a story from back in the country that I’m from... There were two men who were caught being gay just privately in one of their homes (their neighbors reported them). They both were publicly sentenced to 30 lashes, and were branded on their forehead with a symbol so everyone would know they’re gay. When they show up in public, they are completely disgraced, called horrible names, and have food and trash thrown at them. Most people will not open up their businesses or healthcare to them and their families have probably cut off all contact with them. First of all, (being the neighbors) I would not be able to stand it knowing that I caused people to be whipped, and knowing that I ruined the rest of their public lives, because they were different. This persecution may not be as severe in other countries as the country where I’m from, although even in Turkey (WHICH IS CONSIDERED SECULAR) still does not allow Pride Marches because of the majority Muslim Population. Would this discrimination exist if the countries were not Islamic? My guess would be no lol... Unless it’s by coincidence all the Islamic countries degrade it. Now about the comment on blood... In the Bible there is the “New Testament” and the “Old Testament.” The Old Testament was written before Christianity became a thing. It was written to a people group called the Jews who had to remain pure because they were considered “Gods people.” The Old Testament (mostly in the beginning) has hundreds and hundreds of laws that the Jewish ppl had to follow, like exactly what to eat, exactly what to wear, exactly how to live your life. It was crazy and of course they had laws about menstruation lol... You might be surprised to know that Christians don’t follow these teaching as they were intended for “Gods people” Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but we still keep the laws of the Old Testament in the Bible to remind us that Jesus broke the barrier and paid the price, meaning that we don’t have to follow the hundred of rules perfectly in order to go to heaven. However, because Jesus mentions and teaches about the “10 commandments,” We follow them instead. These laws are more like, “Do not Kill” or “Do not Steal.” Not, “You are impure for a week after your period.” I could go on a while about this but I won’t lol Fifthly, Allah says Men are superior. 😔 When giving regulations for divorce, Allah says that women “have rights similar to those (of men) over them and kindness.” Similar, but not identical, for “men are a degree above them” (2:223) The Koran also portrays women as pretty much possessions of men. The Koran likens a woman to field (tilts) to be used by men as he wills: “your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as he will.” (2:223). And in a tradition Mohammed details of the qualities of a good wife including that “she obeys when instructed” and “The husband is pleased to look at her.” The Koran shows women’s subordination to men in so many other verses: <It says that a woman’s legal testimony is worth half of that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of the woman errs, the other can remind her” (2:282) <It promotes polygamy and intercourse with slave girls: “If you fear that you should not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry woman of your choice, two or three or four: but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hand possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (4:3) <It says that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of a daughter: “Allah directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (4:11) <It Allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, saying that Islamic divorce procedures “can apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (65:4) Even some passages that appeared to benefit women don’t end up doing so. The Quran requires a husband to give his wife a dowry (4:4). But the wife can choose to free the husband from this choice: if the wife gives him part or all of that dowry with a good heart, her husband is allowed to take it” but in reality lol, this “choice” is sometimes forced on women and justified by this Koranic verse. Sixthly, I just wanted to point out a few more inconsistencies in the Koran that I found back when I was a Muslim... Allah commands Mohammed to say: “if I am astray, I only straight to the loss of my own soul” (34:50). This isn’t the case at all lol. Allah also tells the Muslims, that “in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him to looketh unto Allah and the last day, and remembereth Allah much” (33:21). Allah also says that he who obeys the messenger Mohammed, obeys Allah (4:80). The Koran tells Muslims so many times to obey Allah and Mohammed 3:32; 3:132; 413; 4:59; 4:69; 5:92; 8:1; 8:20; 8:46; 9:71; 24:47; 24:51; 24:52; 24:54; 24:56; 33:33; 47:33; 49:14; 58:13; 64:12. So if a Muhammad is astray, his soul is not the only one at risk, but the millions of followers he has as well, which contradicts what he said earlier. It’s not a super important one, but is is something I found that didn’t exactly line up lol I would be happy if you could explain it to me better a lot of things don’t make sense. Lastly, since I was a Muslim for so long, when I converted to Christianity the drastic change in the different texts were shocking to me... here’s a few examples I found— Koran : “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them” -Koran 9.5 (cf. 4:89 and 2:191) Bible : “Thou shalt not kill” -Exodus 20:13. Koran : “Against then make ready your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom he may not know, but whom Allah doth know,” -Koran 8:60 Bible : “You have heard it said to love you neighbor and hate your enemy, but I tell you to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” -Matthew 5:43. Koran : “Therefore when the meet the unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, Find a bond firmly on them: there after is the time for either generosity or ransom, until the war lays down it’s burdens. -Koran 47:4 Bible: “And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went in and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him: but the people would not receive him, because his face was that towards Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, ‘Lord, do you want us to bed fire come down from heaven and consume them?’ But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village” -Luke 9:52-56 Koran : “We hurl the truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish!” -Koran 21:8 Bible : “speaking the truth in love, We will in all things grow up into him who is the head, that is, Christ.” -Ephesians 4:15. Koran : “Let not the unbelievers think that our response to them is good for them selves. We grant them re-spite that they may grow in their iniquity. But they will have the shameful punishment.” -Koran 3:178 Bible : “Bear In mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation.” -2 Peter 3:15 Koran : “Who is an enemy to Allah, and his angels and his messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, low! Allah (himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers.” -Koran 2:98 Bible : “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be the children of your father who is in heaven: for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” -Matthew 5:44-45. Koran : “And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you.” -Koran 2:194 Bible : “But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go 1 mile, go with him 2 miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.” -Matthew 5:39-42 Koran : “Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. all those with him or hard against the disbelievers and merciful amongst themselves.” -Koran 48:29 Bible : “So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.” -Matthew 7:12 That’s the last, I have a lot more but this post is getting too long lol 😂 Please Do not think I am trying to force Christianity, that isn’t my intention... I just wanted to point out the major religion I used to follow, and it hurt me. People who claimed to “follow Allah” hurt me, and my only intention is to expose it, bc I know many other people are suffering from this. If anyone has any questions I will be happy to answer as long as it doesn’t put anyone in danger (like my family in my home country). @oceanknot @Jdog12525 @Deer-Teeth |
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3 years, 7 months ago by oceanknot
@Hanners I’m sorry to hear that you had such bad experiences with living in a Muslim country. However, not every person that lives in a Muslim country is a Muslim, and these people that you’re talking about, I’m not even sure that I consider them Muslim. Since you used to be a Muslim, hopefully you’re familiar with the five pillars of Islam, the things you need to do in order to be considered a Muslim. Obviously, I can’t judge what these oppressors that you’re mentioning actually do, but it doesn’t really make sense that someone would go out and kill a bunch of people for no reason, but still pray five times a day and give charity. That doesn’t really make sense to me. I know you said that you know it’s not the religions fault, but what people took it be, but then to be honest, you shouldn’t of even mentioned Islam in your original comment in the first place if you were using it as a way to make Christianity look good. And I have to agree with you, Christianity is definitely not the worst religion, but you shouldn’t of spread lies about Islam in order to prove your point. To address the Koranic verses that you provided, I don’t have time to explain all of them, especially because you don’t seem to have any intention of truly learning about Islam. But I do have to say that you clearly chose the most misinterpreted verses of the Quran and compared them to the most peaceful and loving verses of the Bible. I could do the exact same thing to make it seem like Christianity is a horrible religion, but to be honest I really don’t think it would be fair to do that. I don’t want to keep arguing with you, but the main reason I responded to your original comment was because I didn’t want someone to read that and think that was what the religion supported. You probably didn’t think it was that big of a deal, but comments like that are the reason Muslim discrimination still occurs today. Muslim hate is all based on lies, read this article if you want more proof https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.htmlThat article addresses some of the verses that you mentioned and explains it a lot better than I could of, plus, I don’t want to make this too long to read. I also just have one more thing to say about the hijab, yes, technically it is mandatory, but it’s still a women’s choice (I know it’s not a choice in a lot of Muslim countries, but I have to make it clear that that is NOT taught by Islam). It is actually a choice because it’s not a pillar of Islam, and you are still Muslim without it. Meaning that if your good deeds outweigh your bad, you can enter heaven without ever wearing the hijab. God is the only One who can say who will enter heaven or hell. I’m truly sorry that you were taught that if you don’t wear it, you will not enter heaven because it makes me really sad that people spread lies about Islam. I would never force anyone to wear the hijab and people have no place to punish women for not wearing it. I understand the issues with Islamic countries, which is why Islam has such a bad reputation. I mean you even converted to Christianity because of this oppression (at least that’s what I assumed when I read your comment). Islam really is a peaceful and beautiful religion, but because of your past experiences with people and countries who claim to be following Allah and Islamic law, I don’t know if you’d be able to agree with me. And just one more thing because this comment is getting long, you can’t just take random verses out of the Quran without context. This isn’t just about the ones you gave, but it applies to all of them. If you truly supported human rights and equality, then please don’t go spreading comments like that without fully understanding. There are literal concentration camps in China that punish Muslims and force them to do things against their religion, but it isn’t even covered on mainstream media and most people aren’t even aware of it because Islam is almost always portrayed in a negative way. I needed to respond to you because people need to see both sides in order to have perspective and not be biased. I know you used to be Muslim, but your bad experiences with it didn’t have anything to do with the religion. You said you weren’t trying to be hurtful, but by saying all of those things, it doesn’t even matter if they are true or not, you’re (not you specifically, but anyone who “exposes” Islam in general) makes life harder for innocent Muslims around the world. I hope this comment makes sense because I was trying to get all of my thoughts out. |
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Jdog12525
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3 years, 7 months ago by Jdog12525
@Hanners Mic. Drop.
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3 years, 7 months ago by kmmorell
Im christian but im pretty chill. i pretty much accept anyone and im not gonna judge people. I think love is love and happiness is important as well as honesty and other things. I mean.... as "Christians" as people call themselves the #1 thing we are taught but many forget is that we aren't supposed to judge people.... and everyones not perfect and we are gonna make mistakes... but i hate the people who call themselves christian when 1. they don't live it and 2. they don't even try to NOT judge. I sometimes feel like they shove their beliefs onto other people. Like you can prob talk about it with them, but if they make it clear that they don't wanna be part of it. leave them alone with that subject matter nad be there to support them. Lots of people support each other within a church and etc. but when it comes to different beliefs people make such a big deal. As humans we tend to go to people who relate and share the same views. But people who don't believe in God or other things might have a reason or just aren't into that and it's fine. But it makes me ticked when people force it on other people which just gives them a bad view of a "christian" idk if that mad sense... kinda went on a rant. oh welllll |
