recreating patterns to have a simpler structure
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kpn
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11 months, 3 weeks ago by kpn
Would it possible/allowed for us to recreate patterns to have a simpler structure but the same design ? My target here is 1212s here, not just patterns that have one fb knot that could be an f instead or something. What I mean is that no matter how cute the design, 1212s can be intimidating sometimes due to their complicated structure. I have three ideas on how to get around this. 1) republish the pattern entirely and give complete credit to the original pattern maker, saying that it is their design and you simply restructured it (not the best idea since this would definitely over clutter the site). This means tagging the original pattern and creator in a comment or something (again, just ideas and I haven't completely thought it out here) 2) more involved option but we could add structures like variations. You just restructure the pattern so that it's still the same design but different and easier knots. With this option, people could tie 1212s or mixes depending on their preference, nothing would be duplicated, and multiple structures could be included for one pattern. The downside is that this is probably really hard to code and it would take forever to update every pattern on BB. However, this is just my random little brainstorm moment. 3) this option wouldn't solve the problem, but it would make things a bit easier. What if the generator detected unnecessary fb and bf knots from the same color and automatically made them fs or bs? This would make variations harder but our knotting sessions fractionally easier. Actually as I write it it seems a bit dumb so let's just think about ideas 1 and 2 If what I mean is unclear, here's an example. #11024 is a lovely pattern, but its structure is quite complicated in my opinion. This would be an easier structure to follow: bf,bf,bf,bf,bf,fb fb,fb,fb,fb,b bf,bf,fb,f,bf,fb fb,b,f,b,b bf,f,f,f,bf,fb fb,f,fb,bf,b bf,f,f,bf,bf,fb f,fb,f,f,b bf,bf,b,f,b,fb f,f,bf,f,b bf,bf,fb,fb,bf,fb f,f,bf,bf,b bf,fb,fb,fb,fb,fb fb,f,bf,bf,b bf,f,fb,fb,fb,fb fb,fb,bf,b,b bf,bf,bf,f,b,fb fb,fb,bf,f,b bf,bf,fb,fb,fb,fb fb,bf,bf,bf,b bf,b,fb,fb,fb,fb b,f,bf,b,b bf,bf,fb,f,b,fb f,f,bf,fb,b bf,bf,f,f,b,fb fb,fb,b,b,b bf,bf,b,b,bf,fb f,f,b,f,b bf,bf,bf,f,bf,fb f,f,f,b,b bf,f,f,bf,bf,fb fb,fb,b,b,b bf,bf,bf,bf,bf,fb fb,fb,fb,fb,b (same string order) It's the same design but different knots (altered to include more fs and bs instead of being 100% fbs and bfs) No hate to the original pattern btw, I think it's absolutely fantastic! |
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kpn
Bracelet King
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11 months, 3 weeks ago by kpn
also I did see the duplicate pattern topic under site and app which is what gave me this idea
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kpn
Bracelet King
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11 months, 3 weeks ago by kpn
wait 4th but even more complicated idea: a forum topic to post new structures so anyone can put the structure into the forum and make it without publishing
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halokiwi
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11 months, 2 weeks ago by halokiwi
I think transforming a 1212 pattern into a pattern with less fb and bf knots is very valuable. If you state in the review notes, what the original pattern is and if you also credit the original pattern in the comments once your pattern is accepted, there should be no issue with it.I've also done that before. My pattern #35707 is a segment-knottable version of #6390. I posted it four years ago and it was quite the hassle to get it up. It was deleted once by accident. But as you can see by the amount of photos, it is very valuable. It by far does not have the amount of photos as the original, but it has a good amount. I think your first option is the best option. I don't think it would clutter the site. Transforming 1212 patterns into patterns with less fb and bf knots can be quite a complex task and not everyone is able to do that. I also used to advocate for the second option, but I don't think it would be good to have patterns with different knotting structures as variations of each other. They should be their separate patterns. A 1212 pattern and a pattern that isn't a 1212 will look very different from each other, if you add a multicolour variation and don't stick with the two colours of the original pattern. I don't think your third option would be good. Some fb or bf knots are made between two strings of the same colour for a reason, for example if you use the straight edges technique. Some people also add bf or fb knots to be able to add borders in a variation or for another reason. I like your fourth option, but like so many things it would only be something that website users could use and not app users. The same goes for variations with a different knotting structure. But it is still something you can do and I'm sure people would appreciate it. |
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halokiwi
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11 months, 2 weeks ago by halokiwi
I don't think you used the full potential of this pattern yet btw. Here is my version.String order: aaababababaa Knots: bf,f,f,f,f,fb fb,fb,f,f,f bf,bf,b,bf,f,fb fb,b,bf,f,f bf,f,f,f,bf,fb fb,f,f,b,f bf,f,f,f,f,fb fb,f,f,f,f bf,f,f,f,f,fb f,f,f,fb,f bf,bf,f,f,f,fb f,f,f,f,f bf,f,f,f,fb,fb f,bf,f,f,f bf,f,f,f,fb,fb f,f,f,f,f bf,fb,fb,fb,bf,fb b,b,b,b,b bf,b,b,b,fb,fb b,bf,b,b,b bf,b,b,b,fb,bf b,b,b,b,b bf,bf,b,b,b,fb b,b,b,fb,b bf,b,b,b,b,fb fb,b,b,b,b bf,b,b,b,b,fb fb,b,b,f,b bf,b,b,b,bf,fb fb,f,bf,b,b bf,bf,fb,bf,b,fb fb,fb,b,b,b bf,b,b,b,b,fb bf,bf,bf,bf,bf |
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halokiwi
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11 months, 2 weeks ago by halokiwi
The third knot in row 31 can also be f. I forgot that.If you tweak the knotting structure like this, you can have a rainbow moustache, which I think is so cute. |
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kpn
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11 months, 2 weeks ago by kpn
@halokiwi Thank you so much for all the information! I will try out some patterns as a test run bc I'd really like to try alternative knot structures. I also love the rainbow mustache so much
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