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Eliminating waves in normal patterns

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B_Guard01 Professional	2 years, 9 months ago by B_Guard01 Hi Friends! I’m currently working on bracelet #112963 and the further I get into it, the more I notice some waves forming in the overall shape of the bracelet. I understand with some normal patterns, this is more likely to occur due to the knots all heading in one direction and then all changing to the other direction, but my question is whether or not there is a tried and true way to resolve that or is it something you just accept as a part of the character of the bracelet so to speak? I do love how it’s turning out regardless of the subtle waves, but it did have me curious of the following… 1. Would the normal pattern straight edges technique resolve this issue either fully or partially? 2. Are there other tips and tricks that could resolve the issue either used by themselves or in combination with a straight edges technique? Speaking of straight edges technique for normal patterns, while I understand the concept, I always have so much trouble visualizing and using it correctly unless it is already built into the pattern and I can see it in front of me in the pattern. It makes me wish there was a ‘convert to straight edge version’ button you could click on any normal pattern to do this instead of having to recreate the pattern entirely 😂
halokiwi Moderator	2 years, 9 months ago by halokiwi 1) Using the straight edges technique is no fix-all, but it will resolve the issue at least partially 2) Apart from using the straight edges technique, I recommend to secure the bracelet securely while you work on it so it doesn't slide around a lot and to also always secure it close to where you are currently knotting What you could do to make the straight edges technique less confusing is to 1) either draw it into the pattern on a screenshot or print (this way you don't have to visualise it): >in patterns with even amounts of strings you can see that the outer strings stick out in even rows, at all points where the strings stick out at the edges you draw circles to represent knots (in the drawn circles on the left edge you draw left-right arrows and in the circles on the right edge you draw right-left arrows to represent the knot types), you take a new colour and draw the added string on the left and the right in (the extra string on the left bows to the left and connects all the knots on the left edge, the extra string on the right connects all the knots on the right edge) >if the pattern has an uneven amount of strings, the outer strings stick out on even rows on the left and uneven rows on the right, but drawing the extra knots and extra strings in works the exact same apart from that 2) or do the straight edges technique only partially: >whenever there are knots between strings of the same colour on the left edge, replace them with bf knots. On the right edge replace them with fb knots. 3) you can also either recreate the pattern on graph paper or in the generator and add the straight edges there (you should not submit the pattern because we don't accept patterns with added straight edges that already exist without straight edges)
B_Guard01 Professional	2 years, 9 months ago by B_Guard01 Thank you @halokiwi for your always thoughtful responses. I do think the straight edges technique might help out at least a little bit - and yes, I've definitely done some recreation of patterns just for my personal use for this effort! I do always keep my work station secure, but with the way I was segment knotting this particular pattern, I end up with these long diagonal lines that leave one side of the bracelet substantially longer than the other, which means my tape can only go so far to keep it secure at certain points while knotting. I'm wondering now too if this style of segment knotting is actually contributing somewhat to the issue and something closer to a row by row approach might help to keep the overall bracelet more straight.
rjmd17 Bracelet King	2 years, 9 months ago by rjmd17 @B_Guard01, I also have this issue when I knot patterns like this. I think I've figured out a pretty good solution to keep it from going wavy on the edges. Instead of segment knotting from side to side, I would knot in a chevron shape, that way, instead of dragging all my knots to one side of the bracelets I'd be bringing an even amount of strings from each side to the centre of the bracelet. I find this eliminates most, if not all warping! It takes a little longer because it doesn't allow for as much segment knotting, but I find the overall look is much better afterwards! Hope this makes sense!

B_Guard01 Professional	2 years, 9 months ago by B_Guard01 @rjmd17 that makes TOTAL sense. I have suspected the way I was segment knotting may be a large part of the problem and thought I should experiment with a different style. I had heard somewhere before when segment knotting to try to knot towards the center (which tracks with what you were saying) but I couldn’t seem to find where I heard that before or any other practical segment knotting tips to ensure the bracelet turns out straight. So what you are saying does confirm that. This particular pattern isn’t super well suited to a true chevron style of segment knotting, but I think there are definitely some tweaks I can make to be closer to it, even though, like you said it will make things take a little longer. Thanks for the response 🙂
B_Guard01 Professional	2 years, 9 months ago by B_Guard01 GUYS. I think I finally figured it out for this particular pattern. After much experimenting with the best way to knot this pattern, I think I finally found some tweaks that eliminate most if not all of the distortions at the edges. 🤯 Now to start this wristlet over for the third time 😄
peanutsv Bracelet King	2 years, 9 months ago by peanutsv the straigh edges teqni
peanutsv Bracelet King	2 years, 9 months ago by peanutsv it is not perfect but it works!

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