do they allow these patterns anymore? page 2
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
@onarts_ sorry look above
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
oh an little reminder: thin blue line patterns dont even oppose blm patterns, i didnt mean to put that word.
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3 years, 9 months ago by onarts_
@Vulture , when I said that i didnt think blm was offensive i said it to explain why certain patterns weren’t accepted (it was all what I thought the website doesnt say it) but idk i don’t think we’ll get anywhere with this so let’s just agree to disagree.
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3 years, 9 months ago by Paris113
@halokiwi can you settle this dispute?
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3 years, 9 months ago by Paris113
Hate to get involved, this is not my battle to fight, but @Vulture, I don’t think that BLM is saying that only Black Lives Matter. I think it’s more just to bring attention to racism still in America today. Not just for black lives, but also for Asian, Muslim, Hispanic, Indian and much more cultures. @onarts_ never said all cops are bad, because obviously not all cops are bad. Blue lives matter can just be a little offensive to colored people because it’s kinda like acting like BLM is ridiculous
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3 years, 9 months ago by Paris113
But I forgot to add that I absolutely WILL NOT engage in an argument so don’t even bother in trying to tag me unless you are 100% respectful, mainly because my 13 year old brain can barely handle teachers telling me to be quiet 😐
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3 years, 9 months ago by nev_m_07
@Vulture first of all, not all of the protests were violent, and not everyone who was protesting wanted to do it in a violent manner. Of course all they showed on the news was the violent stuff bc they like to be dramatic, but most of the protests were peaceful. And even the people who were being violent were just really angry (as they had every right to be). Now I’m NOT SAYING that they should have been violent, but I am saying they had the right to be angry. Secondly, they’re not trying to make black people seem better than white people, nor are they trying to get people to pity them. They are just trying to get people to understand the issues with this systemic racism. Thirdly, there has been WAYY more hispanic, asian, and islamic representation in tv and film, you just have to know where to look. Fourthly, black people DO NOT make up majority of the crimes in the us. Finally, I do agree that both sides should be represented. My case and point is that you don’t need to undermine the blm movement because it’s not what you make it seem like.
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
@Paris113 "all lives don't matter until black lives matter"this in itself is implying that no one matters unless black people do which is wrong, everyone DOES matter. by using this phrase its hurting everyone else. it's not for them, that's why they didn't get any coverage on the threats and shootings because no one cared about them, it was always black lives on top. i tried to spread awareness using one of my accounts on instagram from the beginning of how covid was affecting asian lives more than anyone else and they needed to be taken care of, but everyone said "all lives don't matter until black lives matter" even though they do. there are million of lives who were hurt during covid that no one cared about. asian lives were discriminated against in the us because a lot of people only cared about the BLM movement and if you posted anything else other then that you were hated on. only recently were asian lives brought to life, but is anyone doing anything about them? no. they died, and no one knew their names. they were discriminated against and yet the BLM movement said to stop discrimination. i don't know about you, but the majority of people in the movement were only in it for the media coverage for themselves to look good, and now that it's died down they don't care and are doing nothing about the next movement: stop asian hate, which might i add, is a whole year behind |
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
U.S. resident population of black people: 13.4% Nonfatal violent crimes by black people: 33% (of all nonfatal violent crimes) Black Offenders in NCVS incidents reported to police: 42.8% (of all offenders in NCVS incidents reported to police) for such a small population, its sure weird that they make up such a large percent of crimes. I didnt mean to say they make up the majority, sorry, that was mis information. white people obv make up more crime rates because there's more whites, I'm just saying its very weird that despite the black U.S. population being so small, they make up a large percent, y'know? and i know that this is usually just because of how they grow up, trust me, but still you're gonna face racial injustice if almost every black person has committed a documented crime (if everything were to be spread out as an average). it's wrong that they face that injustice still, but when police are told to handle a situation with a black person they're told to be more cautious because there has been higher death rates in cops when handling a situation where a black person was involved than with any other race. i know the news likes to be dramatic, but where i live we had a target shut down because people broke in to it and trashed it. there are tons of small businesses (i live in a small town outside of the city so there's lots of those) that were forced to shut down because the people in the area who claimed to be liberals (some even kids i go to school with) broke in to "start a movement" it IS putting a race on top because of what i put above with the whole "all lives don't matter until black lives matter" because that's putting black people first. We're saying "yes go black people you come first before everyone else". sure, the movement might seem like its trying to revolutionize freedom and equality but its not happening because you're only focusing on one racial group, not all of them I hate white supremacy. god the people i use to be friends with are horrible. they know they're on top and use it to exploit others and its ridiculous and i wish the world would humble them. I've lost all of my friends except 2 because i hate how white people act. what we do IS wrong!!! I'm 100% willing to accept that as truth because it is. we should not be ontop at all, it should be equality all around where one race isnt more superior And i'm not talking about film media coverage, I'm talking about the news, social media, stuff like that. how there's no coverage of the hate crimes on hispanic and islamic lives, how they get no justice. there's always crimes about black and white people on the news, but there's never any coverage about the hispanic communities where on a daily there are turf wars that leave others hospitalized or even worse off because they cant afford health care. that's the media coverage i'm talking about, where we learn about what they're going through and can offer the hispanic U.S. citizens help and aid with their lives just like there is for black communities. |
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
@nev_m_07 look above, forgot to tag you
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3 years, 9 months ago by nev_m_07
@Vulture I totally agree that the representation is not there. As a black/latina girl, I totally know what it feels like to not be represented in the news, or for biased, inaccurate representation of people like me to be the norm. I also agree that the violence that occurred as a result of the blm movement was not okay. However, we need to also recognize that there wasn’t just violence. Aside from that, the goal of BLM isn’t to put black people on top of everyone else, it’s to prioritize things like police training and the eradication of violence against minorities that is portrayed by many cops. It’s not just about black people, it’s about police brutality in general, towards people of any race. Yes, it started focusing on rights and safety for black people, but it has since grown to so much more.
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3 years, 9 months ago by bubbly
@onarts_ i completely agree 😁 couldn’t have worded ur responses better
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3 years, 9 months ago by GenMalucci
@minecraft3 would I be able to grab a screenshot of some of your patterns that got taken down? I have been looking for one for a while to make a friend who’s father was a cop who passed away.
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3 years, 9 months ago by GenMalucci
I wish cops weren’t called bad. In my town there are mostly black and Asian cops. But because of the rioting and stuff cops have been made out to be these terrible beings. They put their lives out on the line for You and me. They don’t wake up and say “time to harm someone” they wake up to serve the country and keep us safe, defunding them and calling them bad isn’t going to help. Imagine how a black cop feels. Just try to imagine that. They probably feel pushed aside like they don’t matter, they matter just as much as Breonna Taylor and George Floyd did. They don’t need hate, we have to realize that they put their lives on the line. We should support and not defund. I personally think that if pro-choice patterns are being allowed, so should pro-life, ( I also feel that if you don’t have good intentions for your comment, you shouldn’t comment. The creator took their time to create something, don’t shame them for their beliefs. Pro-choice patterns are usually rated 5 stars. Pro life average at just over 3. I am open to a calm conversation about pro-life and pro-choice if anyone wants) if we are going to show one side we should show the other. Imagine if schools only taught about the good stuff that happened in history, no one would know about the minorities or people who died for their country or whose life got taken unjustly. If we only show the bad, no one is going to learn about the good. So showing one side is black and white thinking, show both or show none, you know?
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3 years, 9 months ago by GenMalucci
@nev_m_07 this is an honest question so don’t get mad or anything, being a young black/Latina girl, so you ever feel slightly frustrated when a white person on the news acts like they are black or Latina? Like if a white news broadcaster said that they feel the pain of being a black/Latina person, would that make you feel some way about it, cause they don’t actually know? Sorry if this doesn’t make sense.
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3 years, 9 months ago by nev_m_07
@GenMalucci I’m going to answer this to how I interpreted it. It does make me upset when people say that they “feel our pain” or that they “understand,” but it’s not them saying it that makes me upset, it’s them saying it and then not doing anything about it. And this applies to any movement.
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3 years, 9 months ago by nev_m_07
@GenMalucci i agree that cop stereotypes need to stop. defunding the police isn’t the answer. what we need to do is train them against prejudice and inaccurate stereotypes. i also agree that braceletbook should either show both sides of the issue, or neither at all. clearly patterns that are deemed as “political” spark too much controversy on this site, so it might be in the best interest of everyone to take down all “controversial” patterns.
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
@nev_m_07 it's more than just police training. they have no one above them, they mostly get to make their own rules. by putting more people above them to watch their actions and to say what to and not to do you can help eliminate a lot of cases? because even with education there ARE the bad ones who will abuse their power and claim "oh but i'm more educated i can't do wrong" it's more than that. if you put more people on the line to watch them and correct their actions by giving them more higher ups in the system or more government officials to watch them then you can help prevent these things from happening because they're on constant watch and if they do something out of line then its caught. it has since grown to be more but no one cares now, nothing seems to be going around anymore and like i said earlier this stop asian hate is a whole year behind and there are already thousands if not millions affected by it in ways you can't imagine. I think that everyone should be able to post their opinion, so instead of just taking down all controversial topics you can just take down comments or turn off ratings for those just like you can with an instagram post. either take all controversial patterns down, or remove those options. it's unfair to leave only certain designs and opinions up, it's not everyone elses fault that people who don't agree can't keep their mouths shut. you shouldn't go on another pattern and fight with the opposite opinion, it's bullying and not stating your opinion. @Admin it's unfair and i don't understand why you're doing this :/ no one has given me a reasonable explanation and @KrazyKnotz never responded to my message to her |
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3 years, 9 months ago by Vulture
@GenMalucci I wish they weren't called bad either. most of these people actually do their job? and we need them!! we can't exist without them. by defunding you're taking away so many resources to so many others. you're putting lives at risk without them. who is suppose to take their place? we have no one that can do their job, that's why they HAVE that position. there's also no reason to go on another persons pattern and give them hate, it's ridiculous and it shows you're acting like a 5 year old even if you claim you're older. there's a thing called a mouth and there's a reason we can close it, there's a difference between a freedom of speech and straight up bullying and so many people get away with most of their comments because they follow the "liberal" views and apparently they're the "correct" views. it's unfair to only show one type of belief and it shows that the mods and admin all favor a side and really don't care about the other and it sucks, people are allowed to have differing opinions |
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3 years, 9 months ago by nev_m_07
@Vulture I know that we’re going to need need more than training, however training needs to be the first step. That and removing police officers who are racially biased towards any minorities. Also, saying that no one cares anymore is just blatantly wrong. Many lives have been lost due to police brutality, especially black lives. Not only police brutality but just gun violence in general towards minorities. My own cousin who was only nineteen years old was shot and killed in March. So to say that this kind of stuff doesn’t happen anymore and that nobody cares anymore is EXTREMELY offensive, especially to me considering I lost my cousin to it. I am aware of the violence and hate that has escalated due to events of the pandemic, and I 100% support stop asian hate. I also agree with your idea to have the option to turn comments off. I think it should be something that users can disable, not just mods/admins. Everything else that you said about only one side, I agree with (as I stated in my last comment).
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