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redrum_ Bracelet King	4 years, 7 months ago by redrum_ so im trying to make a normal pattern for the first time since im always making alphas, i want to make #39092. what i would want to make is one big triangle instead of the two separate triangles like the ones that people usually make for the starburst ( i hope im making sense ). ok so anyways, my question is that when making the triangle ends do i HAVE to go in like a chevron form? i hope im making sense, like the way you knot a chevron instead of knotting straight. i watched masha knots video on a teardrop loop and she said you can make the pattern straight by adding some knots but i had no idea how so i ended up taking apart the whole thing sadly. since i want to make that pattern that i mentioned, i feel like if i go in a chevron knotting form the pattern from the very beginning wont be shown bc im going in a chevron form instead of straight. i REALLY hope i don’t sound confusing, but if any of y’all can please help me out since i have no idea how to exactly start normal patterns.
redrum_ Bracelet King	4 years, 7 months ago by redrum_ or do ppl just usually go in a chevron form when they have triangle ends? honestly i have no idea lol, im so clueless when it comes to normal patterns.
halokiwi Moderator	4 years, 7 months ago by halokiwi The pattern number of the pattern you said isn't a starburst so you might have the wrong pattern number. To make triangle ends first you pick a triangle in the pattern. You can take a screenshot or print the pattern out and draw an upward facing triangle at any place in the pattern you like. The edges of the triangles have to be drawn diagonally in between the knots. Then you bring the strings in the order of the strings that cross the triangle edges in the pattern. You take the upper string on the left edge and make a f knot on all the strings on the left. Then you take the next string and make an f knot on all the strings on the left apart from the first one. You continue doing this with all strings on the left always knotting on all strings on the left that you haven't used yet. On the right you do the same thing with b knots. Once you've made the edge of the triangle like that you do the inside of the triangle. You can either knot row by row or segment knot. When you segment knot you have to pay attention that you do the knots it says in the pattern. If there are no fb or bf knots inside that triangle you can also just knot it like a chevron but that will potentially give it a different look. If there are fb and bf knots i wouldn't do it because if you just knot like a chevron the strings will end up in places where they are not supposed to be. I've written a tutorial on triangle ends that you can find in the tutorial section or on my profile. It might be a bit more helpful since it has pictures. I've also written a tutorial on segment knotting but it's a bit confusing I think. I might write another one in the future at some point. But there's also another segment knotting video by another user that you will also find in the tutorial section.

halokiwi Moderator	4 years, 7 months ago by halokiwi If you want to use the pattern you linked above I recommend the tip of the square shape as the tip of the triangle end. I think it would look best. I would also recommend that you maybe start out with a smaller and simpler pattern if you aren't really familiar with normal patterns.
srhamy28 Bracelet King	4 years, 7 months ago by srhamy28 are you trying to make a teardrop loop, or a triangle end? you mentioned both in your post, so I'm not sure. either way, you can knot row by row or segment knot (which I think I'd what you mean by knot like a chevron). personally, I would definitely recommend segment knotting. learning it right away isnt that difficult, and in the long run it really pays off. but if you learn how to knot row by row first, it is a lot more difficult to switch to segment knotting. anyways, back to your bracelet. to do triangle ends, I would recommend checking out masha knots on youtube. in her triangle ends video she actually makes it using the row by row technique, so that should be easy to follow. if you wanted to see a demonstration of segment knotting after making a triangle end, you could watch her other bracelet tutorials. for a teardrop loop, knotting row by row may be slightly more difficult. basically, you would just ignore all of the knots within the teardrop, and just knot row by row. just start with one knot at the top of the teardrop (on both sides), then continue with two, then three, and so on until you have a full row with all of your strings. I believe masha demonstrates segment knotting in her teardrop loop video, but she also does in some of her bracelet tutorials, if you wanted to see that. she also has very in depth videos about segment knotting and the row by row technique, so I would check those out too. hope this helps.
srhamy28 Bracelet King	4 years, 7 months ago by srhamy28 also, when first starting with normal patterns, I would recommend a simple pattern. the pattern that you mentioned is quite complicated, and would be quite difficult to figure out how to segment knot, especially if youve never done it before. like I said, I definitely think you should learn segment knotting. you also mentioned the starburst pattern, which is much easier to segment knot, but is still not very simple compared to other patterns, so I wouldn't start with that either. personally, I would recommend pattern #26873. there is a pretty clear triangle end, as well as teardrop loop, so starting the bracelet how you would like shouldnt be a problem. also, this pattern is very simple to segment knot, but can also be knotted row by row if you wanted. and, its not to many strings, so it is less likely you will get confused while making it. this was actually my first normal pattern, and it worked out really well. another thing I would say, if youve never made normal bracelets at all, is to not follow a pattern at first. I would reccommend following [youtube] tutorials first. this will help you get a better understanding of how the knots work on normal bracelets, and get you more comfortable with tying them. also, most youtube tutorials explain the patterns with segment knotting, so it can help you learn that before you even start making patterns at all. again, I would recommend checking out masha knots. sorry for the talk of segment knotting so much, but its worth learning. I can see how if you only make alphas, that knotting row by row may seem easier. with alphas, there is no other way to make the pattern other than row by row. so I can see why you would think with starting normal patterns, going row by row would be easier. but, there are other ways of doing it with normal patterns, as with alphas, there isnt. you should definitely explore other options before deciding on one. hope this helps.

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